What will protect wolves from delisting?

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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Blindseer » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:48 pm

al they have to do is pass a bill that prohibits hunting when they delist. is it really so hard for you to grasp that concept?
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Argos » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:00 pm

But they won't. There's no money in it. Is that so hard for you to grasp?
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Blindseer » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:09 pm

is it so hard for you to grasp that the majority of congress supports wolf conservation and hate any kind of animal cruelty? the bills are being proposed even now. all we need is a president that doesnt veto everything. even though congress canb override a veto, it usually never hapens.
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Argos » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:14 pm

Blindseer wrote: all we need is a president that doesnt veto everything. even though congress canb override a veto, it usually never hapens.
As of two months ago (the most recent i can find) President Bush has only vetoed 5 bills. Pwnt.
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Blindseer » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:17 pm

and he accepted only those that benefit him. the rest congress vetoed. once every couple months congress presents animal protection bills. I have yet to see the presedent not veto them.
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Vida » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:20 pm

Okay I don't know much about American politics but there needs to be a president that isn't selfish or corrupted.
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Argos » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:26 pm

Blindseer wrote:and he accepted only those that benefit him. the rest congress vetoed. once every couple months congress presents animal protection bills. I have yet to see the presedent not veto them.
Really?
List of all Vetoed Bills by President George W. Bush

1. July 19, 2006: Vetoed H.R. 810, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005, a bill to ease restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Override attempt failed in House, 235-193 (286 needed).

2. May 1, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1591, U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007. Override attempt failed in House, 222-203 (284 needed). A later version of the bill that excluded certain aspects of the initial legislation that the President disapproved of, H.R. 2206, was enacted as Pub.L. 110-28 with the President's approval.

3. June 20, 2007: Vetoed S. 5, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007.

4. October 3, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 976, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 ("SCHIP"). Override attempt failed in House, 273-156 (286 votes needed).

5. November 2, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1495, Water Resources Development Act of 2007. Overridden by House, 361-54 (277 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 79-14 (62 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 110-114 over President's veto.

6. November 13, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3043, Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008. Override attempt failed in House, 277-141 (279 votes needed).

7. December 12, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3963, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007. Consideration of the veto has been postponed to January 23, 2008[19]

8. December 28, 2007: Pocket Vetoed H.R. 1585, National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008

So I was off by 3 And neither one was a veto on any animal protection bills.
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Blindseer » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:29 pm

do you think a "list" matters? the president is corrupt, and we need a better one. luckily he has maxed out on reelections. I just hope clicntion doesnt get elected, because she wouldnt make a good president either. I dont have anything against female presidents, Im all for it. its just she wouldnt make a good one.
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Vida » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:35 pm

I don't like Clinton either. Even though I can't vote and I don't live in America, I hope Obama wins.

Wait a minute..
4. October 3, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 976, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 ("SCHIP"). Override attempt failed in House, 273-156 (286 votes needed).
Isn't vetoing (or however you write it >.>) that a bad thing?
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Argos » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:36 pm

So now you change your whole argument. And do me a favor and prove the president is corrupt.

And Vida, we have plenty of private health insurance for children.
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Blindseer » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:36 pm

Vida wrote:I don't like Clinton either. Even though I can't vote and I don't live in America, I hope Obama wins.
same

and yes, vetoing can be a bad thing depending on what is vetoed.
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Darkwalker » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:18 pm

Whether or not he is corrupt, I think that W. Bush has his priorities rather skewed. Shouldn't we be foucusing on making life better for the inhabitants of our country (human and otherwise)?
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Argos » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:38 am

Realize our quality of life is way obove most of the world. His policies right now are focused on the war in Iraq, and saving the economy from a recession (which I could have told you was going to happen since the Dow and NYSE hit record highs). Now I view both those policies as improving citizens lives, they get to keep their jobs and the threat of homeland terrorism is much less.
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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by WQ Project Coordinator » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:21 am

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Re: What will protect wolves from delisting?

Post by Fenris » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:40 am

It is very sad that humans kill for no reason. Most of the time anyway. I mean a few seconds of adenaline? Whats the point. A life is worth so much more. I think they should jump off a cliff and see how much adenaline they get!

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